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JohnL
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:58:09 AM Quote
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Am 71 years and newly diagnosed. Was doing well on steroids (Prednisolone), hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) and Methotrexate; no obvious side-effects. On last hospital visit, was told inflammation levels were nearly normal so steroids and hydroxychloroquine have been stopped and methotrexate reduced (now 6 tablets each Monday). After two weeks, I have swollen hands and feet again and not able to do anything for myself. Have tried, without success, to contact our lovely rheumatology nurse for the past two days but to no avail; I know that she is very busy!
Is it normal to take people off the drugs when they start to improve? Was told that my liver levels were slightly abnormal and I am being monitored with blood-tests every two weeks done at my local surgery. Next appointment to see the nurse fixed for 11 July. Is anyone else on steroids long-term; these were brilliant for me and I wish I could have stayed on them. Advice please?
JohnL
Paul Barrett
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:28:17 PM Quote
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Hi John,

Welcome to the forum!

None of these medications are benign and so there will be a natural tendency on the part of the medics to reduce the dosage once people are under control.

Steroids, in particular, if taken in high doses and for regular periods can result in osteoporosis (loss of bone density) which is of particular concern in those of us of a certain age, shall we say? Were you on calcium supplements to protect your bones?

Steroids can also have peculiar and widely varying effects on your mood. I am currently on high-dose steroids and this time I have the euphoria and high energy levels. Last night I managed only three hours sleep and have not felt the effects today. However, it is just as likely to create depression and lack of energy.

The trick is to not over do it. If you imagine a descending diagonal line representing the dosage, and beneath it and ascending line representing the disease, you certainly do not want them to cross. :)

I imagine a good shape would be like a funnel on its side.

If you are having a flare then you definitely need to talk to the rheumatology nurse, and make a bit of a nuisance of yourself if necessary. You definitely cannot wait until 11 July, nor should you. And, bear in mind, that you don't need necessarily to have an appointment at the hospital, you may well be able to manage with a telephone consultation. It may be different for you, but my letters from the rheumatology nurses include a raft of telephone numbers for different contact points so I would say give them a call.

The nurse will be best placed to advise on what to do with immediate medication and to take counsel from a consultant where necessary.

Good luck, and don't hesitate to come back for more help and advice. We are a friendly bunch here even if the guys are a bit in the minority.
Paul Barrett

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stvcoward
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:44:45 PM Quote
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Hi John,
Personally, some time back i too was given a high dosage of pred. and was told to reduce the dosage on a weekly basis by 5mg, so from 30mg i found that when i dropped to 25mg i experienced difficulties for about two days, until i became used to the new lower dosage, then once i was convinced i was on an even keel i would drop another 5mg, sometimes it took 7,9 or 10 days, before i was ready to take the next reduction, or even if it didn't feel good i would go back up for a time until i was ready, i was given this poetic licence by my consultant, my reasoning being work.
I managed to reduce the dosage slowly to 15mg but became unable to drop below this point without serious problems, my consultant then prescribed pred. in 1mg tabs, and i continued to play the reduction game, eventually i got down to 3mg and finally after a few weeks and when a weeks holiday from work was due i managed to stop. I was also taking mtx with enbrel during this whole episode which lasted over a period of about 2 years or so, the enbrel and mtx kept me reasonable for the next 4 years, i have now started on the next chapter of drugs(ritixumab) and have just started back on the pred. at 10mg daily and need now to once again play the reduction game.
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sylviax
#4 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:47:12 PM Quote
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Hi John
I know that generally the docs want to keep steroids down to emergency use only, but clearly in your case you will need to wean yourself off them very slowly - Steve has good advice.

Welcome to all you guys - it's nice to have a bit of balance in the forum - keep posting and let us know how you're getting on

Best wishes - Sylvia xx
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suzanne_p
#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:23:55 PM Quote
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hi John,

just wanted to welcome you to the Forum.

I have never taken steroids so can't really offer advice, but I'm always puzzled why some are taken off their meds when they are doing well, but I do understand Steroids are not for long term use and must be cut down slowly.

I have taken Hydroxychloroquine along with Methotrexate for the last 3 years, but I also have taken an Anti-TNF for about 20 months now, and I am under control, but it was never suggested to me to stop the Hydroxy.

I hope you have now managed to contact your Rheumy Nurse, perhaps you could let us know how you got on,

and yes it is nice to see Gents posting as they normally arrive and then leave us for some reason .. lol,

Suzanne
JohnL
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:02:38 PM Quote
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Thank you to all who gave advice.
Saw consultant today - back on Hydroxychloroquine (together with reduced Methotrexate) plus one week's supply of Prednisolone to help reduce the inflammation. Have to go back in one month for injections in both shoulders but hopefully this will not be needed if hydroxychloroquine 'kicks in'.
Apparently, I should NOT have been taken off the hydroxychloroquine! I did query it at the time but was told that the doctor had requested that it should be discontinued and me, being a 'newcomer' accepted this fact thinking it had something to do with my liver levels (which are now back to normal since the Methotrexate was reduced).
John
Paul Barrett
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:18:52 PM Quote
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Fab! You got an earlier appointment. That's great. Let's hope you do well on the new regime. Have you got a rheumy nurse contact? That's key. They will be far more accessible than the consultant and will (at least if MY experience in my area is anything to go by) are a shortcut to the consultants.
Paul Barrett

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JohnL
#8 Posted : Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:14:08 PM Quote
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Hello Paul
Yes, RA Nurse is really good. Am now feeling much more positive.
Many thanks for the input.
John L
jeanb
#9 Posted : Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:50:48 PM Quote
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It's not normal to take patients off meds! RA is a systemic ie. whole body disease and is constantly grumbling away at our joints and organs. The meds stop the progression of the disease and should halt further degeneration. The meds have actually worked to reduce your inflammation, which is great. Steve is 100% correct in that steroids should be reduced very very slowly and not stopped suddenly. So pleased to hear you are feeling much more upbeat. Incidentally, liver levels often rise whilst on mix. I have had to stop it 3 times because of this problem, but once the levels drop back to normal it is usual to start the MTX again.
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